tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post5544944820761982946..comments2023-04-10T05:41:08.804-04:00Comments on Soxlosophy: Logical Fallacy of the Week; Manny vs. TitoSoxlosophyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05297442834435511006noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-11932557973439837462008-08-06T14:45:00.000-04:002008-08-06T14:45:00.000-04:00of course, it's hard to say that it had an aff...of course, it's hard to say that it had an affect (and how, specifically, it did so), but its harder to say that it didn't.<BR/><BR/>agreed that pitchers are probably less affected, but who knows- anything going on to disrupt one's routine, mood, or sense of purpose could have a less than ideal effect. I guess what I'm saying is there's every reason to believe that rumors of "bad chemistry" are in fact bad, and do affect Wins&Losses, and that teams are better off when this is not an issue. <BR/><BR/>Again, in this case, it was all about parlaying the assets affectively too, and being that "no matter what you get for Manny the bottom line is you lose", they did a good job, the right thing.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17541685049134908026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-58702692678735386722008-08-06T14:38:00.000-04:002008-08-06T14:38:00.000-04:00good points marc, thanks. you were ahead of the cu...good points marc, thanks. you were ahead of the curve on this one. and i'l agree that the more severe the manny thing got, the more likely it is to have a tangible effect. <BR/><BR/>but it's still difficult to really gauge this, and i'm not convinced it affects the pitchers as much, if at all, whose daily schedule and conceptions of competitiveness are probably different than everyday players'. i imagine pitchers are more isolated from this sort of stuff, and it's hard to say that beckett gives up 6 runs becasue of manny...<BR/><BR/>but now seeing bay play well, and the team beat up on weaker opponents, everyone's feeling good again.<BR/><BR/>also, i never want to take anything back. i stand by everything i said, especially the wrong stuff.Soxlosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297442834435511006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-13595539015328550372008-08-06T14:17:00.000-04:002008-08-06T14:17:00.000-04:00I bet you'd like to have those comments back...i b...I bet you'd like to have those comments back...i believed he'd be dealt that whole week, and the reasoning attacks two of your assumptions:<BR/><BR/>A. The distraction DOES upset production. A player is not thinking of Manny while in the batter's box, but think of the distraction the same way one's general mood is affected by things. The results of being in a less than ideal mood tend to affect workplace production commensurately, to some degree (varying). If you wake up "on the wrong side of the bed", your productivity is compromised. If you get in a fight with your girlfriend before class, you may leave class not having thought about the girlfriend, but looking back to your performance in class as that much less successful because of outside stress. Baseball clubhouses work the same way as domestic situations, except you have about 30 girlfriends that are all well-payed jocks. When there is a sour mood in the room, the morale is less than ideal, and performance may come down a notch. Players may be stressed a little, and anybody that knows their baseball history knows that if you want to hit .400, you have to be loose.<BR/><BR/>B. A contending team ceases to contend when its best player gives up. Nevermind the chemistry, you lose the biggest bat in your lineup, and you get nothing to replace him.<BR/><BR/>B1. At least they got a replacement, a pretty good player.<BR/><BR/>C. The Red Sox would have received two compensatory draft picks if Manny became a Free Agent, yes.<BR/><BR/>C1. At least they got a major league ready all-star caliber player, ahead of what will be a thin FA market this off-season. Draft picks are gambles, and take years to matriculate.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17541685049134908026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-73090949660185226182008-07-30T13:02:00.000-04:002008-07-30T13:02:00.000-04:00a dangerous assumption indeed, matt. i hadn't thou...a dangerous assumption indeed, matt. <BR/><BR/>i hadn't thought about this*, but my guess is that there's no guarantee they could trade him, and perhaps even less than that, given that they've tried numerous times to do so, and failed. <BR/><BR/>here's something else i don't know-whether when a team declines a team option, thereby making the player a free agent, the team gets compensatory draft picks, or whether the team only gets them on a player option or the natural expiration of the contract. if they do, then, as many teams are wont to do, they let the 'type A' free agent walk, and get the 2 -i think it is- first round draft picks as compensation.<BR/><BR/>but if they don't get compensatory picks, then they'll be letting manny go for nothing, which probably isn't a good idea. then perhaps the picking up the option and either keeping or trading isn't so bad. <BR/><BR/>* this comment is potentially filled with misinformation and unresearched speculationSoxlosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297442834435511006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-4260478184876410332008-07-30T02:54:00.000-04:002008-07-30T02:54:00.000-04:00Why, however, would the Sox decline the option ins...Why, however, would the Sox decline the option instead of picking up the option and THEN trading him? Would it not the best value and the ultimate F You to Manny and his antics? I am assuming you can explain why this can't happen.Matthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11064760955456685919noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-88418504582373361812008-07-28T18:34:00.000-04:002008-07-28T18:34:00.000-04:00thanks rooster. and i liked the bump line.and i co...thanks rooster. and i liked the bump line.<BR/><BR/>and i completely agree on your analysis of the fans' reaction, and of the manny situation. <BR/><BR/>an in-season trade seems extremely unlikely; what contending team would trade the top starter or ace reliever that would be part of majorleague ready equal value? and what bad team would want him or his contract?<BR/><BR/>it sure seems unlikely the sox will pick up his option, though.Soxlosophyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05297442834435511006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-71200796966756267932008-07-28T18:08:00.000-04:002008-07-28T18:08:00.000-04:00Well done! Francona was clearly off his game, run...Well done! Francona was clearly off his game, running into all kinds of bumps :)<BR/><BR/>Sox fans just don't like it when a player wouldn't mind leaving. Freaks them out.<BR/><BR/>Realistically, Manny will play out the season, he'll put up good numbers, and we'll see what happens this off season - most likely a Boras induced free agency run.Roosterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791799560386548665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-58907947673466196832008-07-28T07:06:00.000-04:002008-07-28T07:06:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08488208942094869960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-513219332286952805.post-41004036341092027722008-07-28T06:57:00.000-04:002008-07-28T06:57:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Barryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08488208942094869960noreply@blogger.com